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As I was finishing last-minute editing on this paper on September 5, 2022, at 2:57 pm NY Time, I received a call from a phone in Charlottesville, Virginia.

Voice (very dark, demanding tone): Is this Dr. Peter Breggin?

Me (hesitantly): Yes…(thinking it’s spam and ready to hang up)

Voice (continuing dark and demanding): This is Dr. Malone. Why are you targeting me? I will have to send you a cease and desist letter.

Me: Are you threatening me? (Then calling to Ginger, who’s nearby) Ginger, it’s Malone on the phone.

Ginger (entering my office): What’s he saying?

Me: I’ll put him on speaker.

The next thing I heard is the sound of Malone’s phone slamming down.

My conjecture is that Malone did not want a witness to what he was about to say.

It is possible that Malone had some hint about the incredible news we were about to break in this column, not about him, but about Mattias Desmet. The only other time Malone ever contacted us was by email to me to complain about our criticizing Desmet in an earlier column on America Out Loud.

Malone clearly wants to stifle my freedom of speech and freedom to criticize his ideology around matters of enormous political importance to society. Our debate is about how to view global predators or totalitarians and how to act in response to their predations. This question is of central importance to the future of individual freedom and political liberty.

Clearly, Desmet and his ideology are also of central importance to Malone — but he doesn’t want any public challenges made to it.

Now for our column about stunning breaking news about Mattias Desmet.

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Mattias Desmet, the psychotherapist, and professor of psychology whom we have criticized as a leading apologist for political mass murderers, actually knew that one of his own patients was an unrecognized mass murderer and then let him go without reporting him because he thought his psychotherapy had cured him for life.1 The predator had been killing people since he was 22 and was an older man, with a lifetime of multiple murders when he saw Desmet in therapy.

We have been criticizing Desmet and his chief supporter, the same Dr. Robert Malone, for promoting the concept of mass formation and mass psychosis which blames the victims of totalitarianism. The totalitarian actions, in this case, are the oppressive COVID-19 policies and practices. The mass psychosis concept not only sees the “masses” or the people as originating totalitarianism, mostly on their own, but the concept also calls for letting off those who are pulling the strings behind the scenes on a global scale.

In its effects, Desmet and Malone’s concept deflect, discourage and undermine attempts to place the blame directly on global predators who have been committing mass murder under the guise of COVID-19. This directly connects Desmet’s work protecting mass murders on a political level to the dreadful irony that Desmet has even protected a mass murderer in his therapy practice.

Desmet Allowed a Mass Murderer to Go Unreported in His Practice

Psychotherapist Mattias Desmet learned from one of his patients, Ivo Poppe, during therapy, that he had killed many people in the name of euthanasia; but according to news coverage of Poppe’s trial, Desmet testified under oath that he had decided not to report the patient to the authorities.2 A psychiatrist to whom Poppe later confessed killing “dozens” of people reported him to the police. After an investigation, Poppe was jailed in May 2014, on suspicion of multiple murders3 and formally charged with killing 10 people.4 In January 2018, he was found guilty of killing his mother, his two great uncles, his father-in-law, and another woman.5

The psychiatrist who reported Poppe to the authorities testified in Poppe’s case that he was “especially afraid” that Poppe would kill more people.6 But in the trial, Desmet testified as Poppe’s former therapist that he had determined his therapy had worked so well there was no need to report him.

According to numerous estimates, Poppe murdered as many as 407 or 508 people, including four of his own family members: his own mother, his stepfather, and two great uncles. His first known victim was a great uncle, who suffocated with a pillow in September 1978, when Poppe was only age 22.9 His mother, Ivonna Vanhaverbeke, age 90, became the last known victim on January 27, 2011, when Poppe was in his mid-fifties. It is as yet unclear when Dr. Desmet saw him and determined he was no longer a killer. After being reported to the authorities by a psychiatrist, Poppe was arrested in early 2014.

Poppe was a Deacon of the Catholic church and a nurse. He killed people by smothering and by an injection of insulin, sedatives, and air bubbles. Bubbles can reach the brain, heart, or lungs and can cause stroke, heart attack, or respiratory failure.

Desmet Testifies about Poppe at the Mass Murder’s Trial

The following article was published in HLN on January 24, 2018, and focuses on Desmet’s testimony in Poppe’s trial.10,11 With a few of my bracketed comments, here is the newspaper report, starting with its title and subtitle in bold:

Psychotherapist: “Deacon of death acted out of unbearable pity”

At the assize [courtroom] trial against Ivo Poppe (61) the psychotherapist of the accused explained their conversations. Professor Mattias Desmet knew about the facts, but decided to abide by his professional secrecy. According to the witness, Poppe did act out of pity.

This morning the session was adjourned so that the psychotherapist could print his notes about Ivo Poppe at the request of the chairman. Then Professor Desmet told how he acted after Poppe confessed the facts. “When I got in touch with people from the medical world, most of them shrugged. I was amazed, I was a bit shocked in fact.” According to the witness, such cases apparently happened a lot before the euthanasia legislation. “Professor Distelmans even said in De Morgen that it involved 3,600 cases a year.” [Poppe was a mass murderer, ultimately the worst in Belgium’s history. The existence of 3,600 cases of “euthanasia” per year is irrelevant—Desmet is dealing with a mass-murder’s confession to him.]

[insert] “There was a sense of power, but it is therefore wrong as a motive. The motive, I think, was indeed an unbearable pity, which resulted in a compulsion.” [Poppe’s “motive” has little relevance. The only safe place for him is in jail. In addition, as one expert testified, none of the victims asked for euthanasia and he did not give them gentle deaths: “Smothering with a pillow or administer air symbols (bubbles) are accompanied by a death struggle that can take minutes.”]12

The deacon’s psychologist [Desmet] also explained why he did not sound the alarm. “The urge to end lives that was sometimes felt was gone after the therapy. That kind of compulsion is also very sensitive to the word and will quickly diminish by talking about it.” [But Desmet is not going to be there to “talk about it” next time the impulse arises.] The accused’s psychiatrists eventually informed the prosecutor’s office. “That was certainly not the best way. Even when it is very difficult, it is important to stay true to your profession. A soldier has to fight even when it is war.”

Difficult youth

At the request of the defense, the witness also explained the personality of Ivo Poppe. “The thin line between me and another is a central feature. He very easily takes on another’s feelings and suffering.” That personality was created by the relationship with his mother and his difficult childhood. “As a child he felt very strongly for his mother. He therefore did not blow his nose into a handkerchief, so as not to make her life even more difficult.”

The accused served his entire life, working as a nurse and deacon. “There was a sense of power, but as a motive it is therefore wrong. I think the motive was indeed an unbearable pity, which resulted in compulsion.” Poppe told his psychotherapist that the victims were terminal and unbearably suffering. “On the one hand, he partially refuses to take any blame, because he did it out of good will. On the other hand, he realizes that he has crossed a line.” [Desmet acts as if he can accept the veracity of a mass murderer describing his victim’s need for “euthanasia”] …

Psychiatrists sounded the alarm

Earlier in the day, the psychiatrists who treated the accused had testified. The deacon suddenly told them during a regular consultation that he had ended the lives of dozens of people. After consultation with the Order of Physicians, it was decided to inform the public prosecutor’s office.

At the end of 2010, Ivo Poppe first contacted psychiatrist De Troyer. After a few consultations, it took until October 2013 before he visited his psychiatrist again. “Those first conversations were about his nightmares, his father and his home situation. And then he suddenly confessed that he ended the lives of dozens of people through palliative sedation with air embolisms and insulin.” The deacon said that, among other things, he killed his father-in-law out of pity. “What shocked me a bit was a form of revenge towards the doctors, a feeling of frustration, a feeling of power. There was also a certain sense of guilt.”

The psychiatrist was especially afraid that Poppe would take new deeds. After all, at that time he was still involved in mortal [death] counseling as a deacon. After consultation with the Order of Physicians, he forwarded Poppe to his colleague Paul Lodewyck. “His nightmares were sexual scenes, father murdered, being murdered, his house on fire,” said Dr Lodewyck. Poppe also repeated his confessions. “He told me that he had helped his own mother over death. I found that smothering his great-uncle in 1978 very difficult, that’s a different matter than injecting air or insulin.”

Addiction

Ivo Poppe told the psychiatrists that he felt he had done something right. “But it had also almost become an addiction. The chance of being caught creates a tension that maintains the mechanism.” The doctors then decided to inform the public prosecutor of the case. “He still came into contact with defenseless people in the last phase of life. I did have a small reservation that it was fantasy.”

When Did Mass Murderer Poppe Kill His Last Victims In Relation to His Time in Treatment with Desmet?

According to the best available reports, Poppe’s last murder was that of his 89-year-old mother on January 27, 2011.13 This raises the question as to whether Desmet began treating Poppe before that time. If so, then his failure to report Poppe to the authorities enabled the mass murderer to be free in society to kill his mother and perhaps other people.

Desmet’s failure to report that he had discovered a mass murder in his practice raises other profound questions. He not only delayed the arrest and prosecution of Poppe, but he also delayed the release of information that would have informed the relatives and friends of his victims about what had happened to their loved ones. He deprived society of the knowledge that a mass murder of previously unknown proportions in Belgium had been committed, enabling soul-searching about the societal implications, analyses of stricter protections of patients, and, more important concerns raised by such a catastrophe.

A few dates help in the discussion of whether Desmet may have failed to report Poppe before he went on to kill other people. As of October 2010, a few months before Pope murdered his mother, Poppe had started therapy with a new psychiatrist,14 and there is no indication that he was in treatment with Desmet at the time. By early 2014 Poppe had been reported to the police.15 Psychoanalytic therapy can be a long process, and the supposed successful treatment of a mass murderer would presumably take many years.

We welcome any information from Dr. Desmet to clarify the chronology of his therapy with respect to Poppe’s last known murder.

Our Conclusions

We have previously described Desmet as protecting the people behind the mass murder of millions of individuals during COVID-19 by declaring that the masses originated the problem and that there was no malicious or organized planning behind it. We have also criticized Desmet for further protecting these global perpetrators by accusing researchers who investigate the organized planning behind the disaster as “conspiracy thinking” driven by anxiety and irrationality (pp. 126-128 in his book, The Origins of Totalitarianism).

Desmet’s mass formation concepts distract freedom fighters from identifying the enemies of human liberty. So do his attacks on so-called conspiracy thinkers as mentally unbalanced. The effects will eventually discourage prosecutors, the media, researchers, and citizens from facing the global predators. Whatever we call them — the elite, the ruling class, the predatory globalists — Desmet’s work ends up discouraging their identification and, therefore, any hope of truly combatting the oppressors and holding them responsible.

Desmet’s book contrasts dramatically with our own book, COVID-19 and the Global Predators: We Are the Prey, in which we identify and hold responsible the powerful global predators whose influence and power determined the policies and practices which continue to this day costing millions of deaths around the world.

Now it turns out that Desmet knowingly treated a man who confessed to multiple murders during therapy. Desmet failed to report him because he thought his psychotherapy had cured him of mass murder. Desmet then seeks sympathy for the culprit during the man’s trial by saying that Poppe had “excessive empathy,” but empathy is the least likely motive for driving anyone to become a mass murderer. True empathy is the source of the highest human ethics and ideals.

Much more likely, given his documented difficult childhood, Poppe had rage and feelings of impotence toward his family. To vent his rage and to overcome his feelings of impotence, Poppe killed four of his family members, including his own mother, along with many other people, according to the prosecution.

My Clinical and Forensic Experience with Mass Murder

I am a psychotherapist and a psychiatrist, with extensive forensic experience with mass murders. No professional should ever give himself the right to avoid reporting a confession of mass murder by one of his patients. As a psychiatrist, under US state laws, if I become aware that my patient is a threat to the lives of others, I am required to take effective action to prevent my patient from harming others. But even without a legal requirement, it would also be unethical not to report a mass murderer, considering the potential loss of life.

Furthermore, no professional could possibly have the ability to know that he or she has cured a mass murderer, making it safe to let a “former predator” remain free and unsupervised for the remainder of his life. Even if “talking” or “words” were very helpful to Poppe, as Desmet testified, there is no way to have sufficient certainty about the man’s future. Indeed, with a man this disturbed and violent, it would be impossible to know if he were killing people unbeknownst to the therapist while he remained in therapy, let alone after he left therapy. Mass murder requires such profound breaking of moral restraints and empathy that there is no way to assure that someone is telling the truth, in or out of therapy, and no way to determine if he is fully recovered from violent impulses and will remain so.

I have, at times, concluded as a medical expert that a person who committed violence or murder on a single occasion under the influence of psychiatric drugs was, within a reasonable degree of medical certainty, not likely to repeat violence in the future. In these cases, there has been no past history of violence, behavior, in general, has been exemplary, witnesses have testified to the negative changes in behavior on psychiatric drugs, and the individual has dramatically improved when carefully tapered off the offending medicines. In addition, there must be scientific evidence that the medicines can cause violence, and there are no other feasible or reasonable explanations for the violence.

But even with all these elaborate precautions, no therapists or psychiatrists should take it on themselves to make the final decision to let the person go free. The decision to let a very violent person or a murderer go free is too difficult to make without the involvement of authorities and other experts as prescribed by law. I have given opinions, but the decision to let anyone go free was made by a judge or jury after hearing evidence or formal opinions from me and from other psychiatrists and psychologists, from defense and prosecution lawyers, from family and friends of the perpetrator, and from the staff in the facility in which the individual was being held before release. My own reports might draw upon most or all of these factors, and then a judge or jury would make the decision. In the process, massive prior medical records, educational records, and work records would have been evaluated by me, by other experts, by the lawyers, and by the judge.

These elaborate procedures under the law concerning the freedom of a known perpetrator of violence should be compared to Desmet’s self-described consults with other professionals who never saw Poppe and never did any of the necessary evaluations that I have described. Also, it seems unlikely that Desmet told other professionals that Poppe was a mass murderer when asking their opinions on what to do, because most professionals would have wanted to cover themselves, if nothing else, when it came to the risk of letting a mass murderer go unreported.

It is hard to imagine how any psychotherapist or psychiatrist in the isolation of private therapy with limited outside or independent knowledge about the patient could have such faith in his personal therapeutic ability and his ability to predict an extremely violent perpetrator’s future that he could let a mass murderer go unreported and hence free to kill again.

In Poppe’s case, he had started killing people at age 22, rendering preposterous the hope for a psychotherapeutic cure later in life. Desmet’s extreme claims in the Poppe case may provide insight into the drive behind his current political and policy-determined campaign to mitigate or remove responsibility from the perpetrators of mass murder during COVID-19.

1 English—Capture-001—Psychotherapist_-_Deacon-of-death-acted-out-of-unbearable-pity_—Inl_—www.hln-copy.pdf (akamaihd.net)
2 English—Capture-001—Psychotherapist_-_Deacon-of-death-acted-out-of-unbearable-pity_—Inl_—www.hln-copy.pdf (akamaihd.net)
3 Ivo Poppe found guilty of five murders: “no question of euthanasia” | Inland | News | HLN (archive.org) On opening this link, it offers an option to translate.
4 https://www.dw.com/en/belgium-deacon-of-death-goes-on-trial-on-serial-murder-charges/a-42264333
5 Ivo Poppe found guilty of five murders: “no question of euthanasia” | Inland | News | HLN (archive.org) On opening this link, it offers an option to translate.
6 English—Capture-001—Psychotherapist_-_Deacon-of-death-acted-out-of-unbearable-pity_—Inl_—www.hln-copy.pdf (akamaihd.net)
7 http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/06/11/roman-catholic-deacon-ivo-poppe-charged-with-killing-40-patients-at-hospital-in-belgium/
8 https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ivo-poppe-trial-deacon-death-accused-killing-10-people-including-own-mother-by-injection-1656295
9 Hospital lawyers: “Mr. Poppe is a serial messer in the field of termination of life” | Inland | News | HLN (archive.org)
10 https://z0sqrs-a.akamaihd.net/6905_breggin/Malone/English—Capture-001—Psychotherapist_-_Deacon-of-death-acted-out-of-unbearable-pity_—Inl_—www.hln-copy.pdf For continuity, I have removed a short, less relevant portion about record privacy or secrecy for continuity. Here it is: “Commotion about professional secrecy. After the testimony, a long discussion ensued when it turned out that Professor Desmet had to put down his notes. “It contains details about the sexual life of Ivo and of other people, such as villagers. I would like to ask you not to force me to do that.” Chairman Bart Meganck pointed out to him that the law could not be negotiated. “Then I will have to tell my students that they are not allowed to create files and not even testify anymore. This is a disaster for the psychologist profession and our professional secrecy.” The chairman stated that he did not want to lure the witness into a trap by having him print the notes. “Yeah,” shouted part of the audience. It was finally decided that the psychotherapist may delete another patient’s name from his notes. Then he speaks again.”
11 English—Capture-001—Psychotherapist_-_Deacon-of-death-acted-out-of-unbearable-pity_—Inl_—www.hln-copy.pdf (akamaihd.net)
12 Ivo Poppe found guilty of five murders: “no question of euthanasia” | Inland | News | HLN (archive.org) On opening this link, it offers an option to translate. Also see  Hospital lawyers: “Mr. Poppe is a serial messer in the field of termination of life” | Inland | News | HLN (archive.org)
13 Schadenberg, 2018 ### Also, https://www.eurasiatimes.org/en/23/01/2018/belgium-deacon-of-death-trial-begins/
14 English—Capture-001—Psychotherapist_-_Deacon-of-death-acted-out-of-unbearable-pity_—Inl_—www.hln-copy.pdf (akamaihd.net)
15 This source reports that Poppe was not reported until 2014. https://www.eurasiatimes.org/en/23/01/2018/belgium-deacon-of-death-trial-begins/
According to one source, “Poppe had claimed that his mother wanted to be euthanized, but her doctors denied that she had expressed any wishes to end her life.” https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/37581/belgian-deacon-on-trial-for-murder

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Robert Wallace Malone
Robert Wallace Malone
1 year ago

For your information

From: Mattias Desmet <Mattias.Desmet@xxx>
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 12:30 AM
To: rwmalonemd <rwmalonemd@xxx>; ginger breggin <grbreggin@xxx>
Cc: Peter Breggin <breggin@xxx>
Subject: Re: Desmit
 
Dear Ginger, dear Peter,
One week ago, I invited you to have a (public or private) conversation with me. I didn’t receive a response yet.
I started to read your book review and in my humble opinion – which is not entirely irrelevant, I believe – you misinterpret the content of my book in many respects.
In almost every sentence and every paragraph I read, it seems that you miss the point I make and refer to my book in a distorted way.
Moreover, you accuse me of intentional manipulation of the population, to blame the victims in this crisis, to give a psychiatric label to everyone in what you call the ‘freedom movement’, and so forth.
We live in times in which human living together dehumanizes. That is the essence of totalitarianism, a profound dehumanization of human interactions. There is no answer to this tendency than to remain humane ourselves. That is why I will not act on my anger – which, to be honest, I truly feel. I will continue to invite you to exchange ideas with me and to learn from each other rather than accusing each other.
Meanwhile, I consider to respond, concisely, in a written way or to discuss your book review in a podcast. Should you wish to reach out to me, please don’t hesitate.
Mattias 
 
 
Van: rwmalonemd <rwmalonemd@xxx>
Datum: zondag, 7 augustus 2022 om 15:55
Aan: ginger breggin <grbreggin@xxx>, Mattias Desmet <Mattias.Desmet@xxx>
CC: Peter Breggin <breggin@xxx>
Onderwerp: Re: Desmit
https://devanneykathleen.substack.com/p/catherine-austin-fitts-and-dr-peter 
 
https://home.solari.com/special-solari-report-mass-formation-a-decoy-for-digital-concentration-camps-with-dr-peter-breggin/ 
 
 
Peter B is making the same mistake that Peter M makes in misunderstanding/misconstruing the theory.
 
You might have taken the time to communicate directly with Mattias.
 
I have included him in this email so that you can communicate directly and hopefully clear up the misunderstanding.
 
As for the thread that I am controlled opposition, this is not helpful, and I now have to deal with an additional source of haters as a consequence.
 
Do you and Peter sincerely believe that I am controlled opposition?
 
 
 
Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
 
——- Original Message ——-
On Saturday, August 6th, 2022 at 6:07 PM, ginger breggin <grbreggin@xxx> wrote:

What comments are you referring to? We don’t mention you in our criticism of Desmet’s theory. Here is the link to our formal paper. https://americaoutloud.news/mattias-desmet-mass-hypnosis-expert-or-trojan-horse-the-full-story/

 

Ginger

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On Aug 6, 2022, at 5:26 PM, rwmalonemd <[email protected]> wrote:

Based on the comments I am seeing, you appear to have made some major errors in your understanding of Mattias’ book, and are now drawing conclusions regarding that and myself which are counterproductive and unfounded.

 

I trust that these are honest misinterpretations, but the comments about myself seem quite odd.

 

Mattias spoke to me about this when I visited him last weekend. Your errors of interpretation are common, and involve confusion concerning cause and effect.

 

I think you are not understanding the logic of the pre-conditions which created the environment for the mass formation process.

 

 

 

robert

 

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Craig Snider
Craig Snider
1 year ago

Having read the Breggin book on Covid, I am astounded that they have failed to see that social forces beyond premeditated predation could possibly have contributed to the witches brew of lockdowns, scapegoating and demonization of the unvaccinated. Surely there was mass psychosis of some kind going on, regardless of whether a conspiracy of evil took place or not, and I don’t have to have a PhD in social psychology to know that, I saw it in family members and friends, some of whom still wear a mask today in outdoor settings. Fear triggers a primary reaction, man is an animal, programmed to, above all else, survive.

Desmet and Malone are among many trying to makes sense of it all to properly identify the problem, essential to solving the right one. There is no doubt there are bad actors, Malone and Desmet agree clearly. But we live in a complex and dangerous time, and I have been grateful to all of you who have been working tirelessly to uncover the “truth”, whatever it is. But by claiming as unassailable truth—that malign actors consciously unleashed the Covid fiasco on the world— is THE problem alone, and by publicly attacking and smearing the characters of Malone and Desmet, the Breggins tarnish only themselves, while belittling the brilliant research and corpus of social and mass psychology that seeks to understand how humans, at once kind and compassionate, could devolve into the those who could remain silent in Germany at Nazi atrocities, or even worse, commit them.

There can be honest differences of opinion between those are desperately trying to fully understand the labyrinth of causes and effects of the Covid calamity, so that society and individuals can protect themselves against bad actors and power brokers. But to attack the best among us, those sacrificing and risking so so much…all I can say is that actions speak louder than words. This vanguard action, within our nascent movement to restore integrity, compassion and courage to our western civilization, is a stain upon your credibility, Mr. and Mrs. Breggin. I have followed Malone for some time now, and never has he attacked brothers-in-arms, even if in disagreement. The depth and scope of his analysis is unmatched, and we are grateful that his analytic mind is seeking to Define the Problem, before rushing to judgement. Maybe we should tell the executioners to hold off on erecting the gallows just yet

Reverse course, do not dig into your position. You still have time. Till now, you have been part of a brave and principled discovery process that has informed so many of us. Be humble to other honest ideas, theories, motives. Your voices, your intellect, your passion is needed. I think you owe both men an apology.

Reconsider baby, in the words of blues great Freddy King.

LeoPero
LeoPero
Reply to  Craig Snider
1 year ago

Beautifully and clearly stated. “Who you are determines what you see.”

Vanualevu
Vanualevu
Reply to  LeoPero
1 year ago

An apology to Desmet goes too far. This case regarding Ivo precludes him [Desmet] from practicing Psychotherapy at all or sitting-in as an expert witness and especially being called to weigh in on COVID anything. I am uncomfortable with this man’s line of thinking which he demonstrated in a lack of total common sense regarding a serial killer but instead placed value on perfecting his craft over Public Safety. You academics take yourselves too seriously sometimes to detrimental consequences….legends in your own minds. Desmet is neither unique or an anomaly in this profession as transcripts of American court proceedings will tell you. For me, this writer amply profiled and checked the dangers in exclusively handing over criminal matters to psychs practicing in our society by illuminating the Bio on one. He should have zero to do with weighing in on the criminal mind, never mind mass psychoses that apparently has occurred in the entire World. But have a beautiful day.

Fred
Fred
Reply to  Craig Snider
1 year ago

You wrote a beautiful reply that stated exactly how I felt after reading Mr. and Mrs. Breggins’ post, so I won’t write my reply, yet hope that it’ll somehow still count as full throated support for Dr. Malone’s position in this case. Quickly I will state: it’s very hard for me to believe that two bright writers like the Breggins don’t understand that something very bad can be put into play by people hoping to find fellow travelers, willing participants, psychologically damaged adherents, and confused followers to help them “carry the ball”, and anybody describing other teammates such as Mass Formation Psychosis aren’t even CLOSE to letting any of the bad or evil or greedy quarterbacks off the hook. It’s just saying some of the fans sure aren’t helping.

Last edited 1 year ago by Fred
Tom Lowe
Tom Lowe
Reply to  Craig Snider
1 year ago

Event 201 was a huge indication that the COVID-19 scam is an evil predation. It is highly obvious to anyone with any common sense. Oh, and there was the Rothschild COVID patent from 2015 and there were the numerous COVID PPP preparations manufactured well before COVID-19 was “discovered”. That too makes the predation glaringly obvious. The COVID-19 scam is intentional premeditated mass murder.

I suggest that everyone read a book written by Dr. Lola Romanucci-Ross titled “The Anthropology of Medicine”. It can give some insights into how the mass formation resulted from medical industry predation. You need to look at the medical culture and what it has become.

“Doctors are baffled ….”

Jane
Jane
Reply to  Craig Snider
1 year ago

I have utmost respect for both Malone and Breggin. I am concerned about the enthusiasm with which his mass formation pronouncements have been taken up by, say, Malone, on the Joe Rogin show. This is very far outside Malone’s area of expertise, and he really should stay away from it. One indicator of how IMO Desmet’s ideas are being misused is the constant references to Nazi Germany. These comments come from people who, i am convinced, know very little about the realilies of the Third Reich. They are s imply wrong if they think Desmet’s theory explains what occurred—-the many t hings that occurred—during the Third Reich in Germany and elsehwere

Everyone thinks he or she is an expert on Nazism and the Third Reich.

It has been my conclusion from the first time I heard matthias Desmet, on the Corona-Ausschuss, that his ideas are (1) not original and (2) very prone to being latched on to by relatively ignorant people as an oversimplified explanation for what are in fact very complicated social pressures and responses. As soon as I saw Robert Malone “go there:” on the Joe Rogan show it was obvious that he thought he had found a key to what occurred during the covid operation. IMO his going on about “mass formation” just vitiated the rest of what he had to say on subject matter where he really is an expert.

Whatever Desmet’s motives, I don’t think his “mass formation” idea is furthering the push to understand what happened in 2020 and before, and what is still happening and will continue to happen as societies all over the world are subjected to more and more insidious propaganda and both veiled and open threats.

Nola
Nola
Reply to  Craig Snider
1 year ago

So it is ‘unprofessional’ to question a ‘fellow professional’? Please. What kind of totalitarian dystopia do you subscribe to? Whether you agree or not with the assessment, criticizing it on the basis of not respecting “the best among us” is a ridiculous, illogical appeal to authority at best. It could also be described as sycophantic shilling and obsequiousness.

Robert Wallace Malone
Robert Wallace Malone
Reply to  Nola
1 year ago

this is not questioning, this is attacking without merit. Breggin jumped to conclusions.

Here is Mattias accounting of the case in question. I think that once you know the facts, then the clinical management decision becomes quite clear and appropriate. I have his permission to share this.

“That guy was a former nurse who killed terminally I’ll people with insuline. He came to therapy years after the facts. It was before there was an official legislation about euthanasia. Technically speaking, I was not allowed to break my professional secrecy. You can only break it when someone announces that he will commit new crimes in the future. I did exactly what I had to do. There was no official investigation. No professional action. And moreover, several doctors admitted that this happened all the time in hospitals (before the legislation was passed). It was before there was an official legislation about euthanasia. As soon as this legislation existed, he stopped doing so. But no matter what, I did what I technically speaking had to do. “

Pam
Pam
Reply to  Robert Wallace Malone
1 year ago

That is a misstatements of law. There is no statute of limitations on murder. The man was a murderer, Desmet was obligated to report him. Later passage of euthanasia laws is irrelevant to Poppe’s crimes. He decided who would die and how. There was no discussion, consent or framework to protect his victims. Desmet can and should be sued by family of those who were murdered after he failed to alert authorities.

Dr. Malone. I heard an interview you gave disclosing your vast ties with the CIA, other government agencies, pharma, your financial interests in vaccines. You were sent to Wuhan by the CIA at the start of the “pandemic” leading some to feel you are an insider and controlled opposition. You stated even if you were, you provide useful information. As a CIA asset you understand the value of limited hangouts – sharing some but not all to gain trust. Perhaps you could tell us more about your financial interests and the people who pay you.

Robert Wallace Malone
Robert Wallace Malone
Reply to  Pam
1 year ago

you have completely misstated my comments. I have never been to China.

Pam
Pam
Reply to  Robert Wallace Malone
1 year ago

In your recent interview with Dr Mercola you stated the CIA sent you to Wuhan at the beginning of the “pandemic.”

Your associations and conflicts of interest should be disclosed, don’t you agree?

Robert Wallace Malone
Robert Wallace Malone
Reply to  Pam
1 year ago

no I did not. I said I got a call from a CIA agent in Wuhan. This is also documented in the RFK book on Fauci.

Romey
Romey
Reply to  Craig Snider
1 year ago

Your synopsis is extremely well constructed. I think it also gets to the essence of the matter. If some of us focus on punishing the psychopaths who inflicted (and continue to inflict) great harm on humanity, then we can expect that the punished psychopaths will be replaced by equivalent (or worse) psychopaths before the blood dries. Desmet is attempting to clarify what has gone wrong SYSTEMICALLY that has produced the conditions leading to what we have seen increasingly for the last 30+ years. If that systemic problem remains unaddressed, then nothing will change except the faces of the psychopaths.

David
David
Reply to  Craig Snider
1 year ago

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I suspect you are not aware exactly who it is you are lecturing about being “brave”, and “reconsidering”
As Dr. Xavier Figueroa comments below:
“Please keep in mind that we are talking about a man (Dr. Breggin) who has spent his entire career exposing the very egregious and illegal acts that members of the psychiatric, cybernetic and MK Ultra funded programs were perpetrating on the US and international community. When you look up Informed Consent, there should be a picture of Peter and Ginger next to it.”

In contrast, Desmet has launched himself onto the world stage using covid as a launchpad.
We’ve all known and understood for many many decades that people are vulnerable to manipulation, lonely and distressed people even more so, people’s greatest fear is being ostracized by the group, their greatest urge is to be loved & accepted, & on & on…these are not new ideas.
These old ideas of how to manipulate the masses are well understood techniques being used by psychopaths to commit genocide.
Desmet’s analysis does nothing but explain ways in which we’ve been manipulated, what he repackages as “mass formation”TM is just part of the murder weapon for genocide.
Desmet disingenuously presents all this as some kind of new information that somehow puts the blame for the nightmare of the past 2 1/2 years on us, the victims!
There is nothing “brave” or “principled” about taking the blame for crimes of genocide committed by psychopaths, nor for enabling apologists who distract from their crimes.
In my opinion it is you, Craig, who needs to reconsider, but can you heed your own advice?

L. E. Shurlock
L. E. Shurlock
Reply to  David
1 year ago

A great reply. Perfectly explained. Thank You.

Vladimir Bojov
Vladimir Bojov
Reply to  Craig Snider
1 year ago

Are you saying that your family members and friends who still wear masks were and still are psychotic? What exactly is the point of imputing a concept like mass psychosis? A psychosis is said to be a quality of the mind of an individual- where does the “mass” psychosis inhere? Why not simply accept that your family were scared – by the global predators’ propaganda-rather than being psychotic? Dr. Desmet’s fanciful theorizing is indeed dangerous, unhelpful, self-promoting and self-indulgent.

TimHolt
TimHolt
1 year ago

Both of you Beggin and Malonehave fucking out of control egos. Get over your pompous selves and work together! I am a parent of unvaxxed kids, Anatomy instructor, natural healer 30 years, wife is retired pharmacist. We see the issues clearly with all the 3 letter agencies. Both of you are powerhouses of research, healing, social influence, etccc. But your small penis egos are outta control. Grow the fuck up and work to stop globalist Pharma together!

John Congdon
John Congdon
Reply to  TimHolt
1 year ago

A study of Nonviolent Communication could really assist in getting your point across. There are numerous videos on utube that are very helpful. Yes, we do need to work together, there are some ways that are successful. Our usual go to way that we have learned from the dominate social paradigm of attacking one another is not.

DrMikeYeadon
DrMikeYeadon
Reply to  John Congdon
1 year ago

Tim Holt’s communication was very clear.
I do agree that attacking each other isn’t helpful, though entirely understandable.
I’m one of the allegedly anxious, mentally ill people who consistently identified this whole global event as unequivocally planned & being executed nearly flawlessly. Mass formation might even be incidental.

Craig A Snider
Craig A Snider
Reply to  DrMikeYeadon
1 year ago

Michael, many of us are indebted to you for your insight into the virology of all things and your courage to speak the unspeakable early on. I doubt very seriously that Desmet is talking about you—or any of those on the front lines of dissent. All he’s saying, it seems, is that a very powerful social disorder is historically observed, likened to hypnosis, when separation, fear and free floating anxiety work their dark magic. It’s very academic, and thought provoking, even if totally wrong.

All that said, you can be forgiven if you’re paranoid. You have earned that privilege among the pantheon of heroes.

Jane
Jane
Reply to  Craig A Snider
1 year ago

I would submit that very few people can actually be hypnotized.
It is practically an occult belief.
However, they can fairly easily be misled and manipulated if they are deprived of contrary information and input. This has been amply demonstrated in the study of how cults work.
The covid response has been extensively discussed in terms of its “cult-like” properties. But it must be borne in mind that only a proportion of the population actually joined the covid “cult.”
Large swaths of the population questioned the whole mask thing. Many people went along to get along—say, to be able to buy groceries or use the library—knowing perfectly well that the mask wearing was a joke when if came to efficacy.
However, the misinformation regarding vaccines was harder to penetrate.
When virtually 100% of health=care professionals etc. advise you to get a vaccine, and you follow their advice, that is not “mass formation.” That is “being lied to.”
In the Covid context “mass formation” does not, IMO, satisfy Occam’s Razor.

Nola
Nola
Reply to  Jane
1 year ago

Ah the voice of reason. Perfectly put!

NormPatriot
NormPatriot
Reply to  Jane
1 year ago

Fear was and is used to trigger the animal mind for self-preservation. The lack of questioning the official narrative, the fact that so many people swallowed the lie that doctors are helpless to treat this and the only solution was the vaccines… that is what has struck me as there is mass formation. Certainly Breggin’s point that the psychosis of fear was a tool utilized by the authorities is very well documented. Desmet understated this in his book – he alludes to it but nothing outright that I can recall. I find value in both of these points of view in assessing the situation.

Jane
Jane
Reply to  NormPatriot
1 year ago

Re “The lack of questioning the official narrative, the fact that so many people swallowed the lie that doctors are helpless to treat this and the only solution was the vaccines… that is what has struck me as there is mass formation.”

This is what strikes me as a gigantic propaganda. Those offering treatment were canceled and threatened. One had to search long and hard to find alternative info on treatment.

remember the campaign against Ivermectin and hydrochloroquine? Remember the politicization of the latter medication, when Trump mentoined it positively? I am a graduate of a top Ivy college. On my class’ email list I was reviled and ridiculed for mention of Ivermectin.

The fact seems to be—there is evidence for this— that highly educated people are some of the most easily led. That is because they wish to align with and represent “mainstream” thought, partlhy to maintain their status. They tend to be risk-averse. Also, they are good at using their intellects to construct arguments that support the mainstream narrative and at deriding those.

I was taken aback at the vehemence with which an MD on our list fought against the idea that treatment options existed and defended the jabs, even though they were essentially untested, and this was obvious. She didn’t blink when the control group was terminated. A huge red flag for me. I was ridiculed for citing the Great Barrington declaration by “ignorant know-it-alls” with advanced degrees. .

I don’t think any of this is a symptom of “mass formation.”
In fact, the very idea of ****mass*** formation is questionable to me, becaluse people are not part of a “mass.” They are part of different groups, and these groups respond to information in different ways. And, they are appealed TO in different ways, depending on their own social groupings.
I believe that Thomas Frank’s “Listen, Liberal: Or, What Ever Happened to the Party of the People?” explains a hell of lot more about the belief systems of the educated in the USA than Desmet’s vague “mass formation.” In fact, even this latter phrase is a puzzle, suggesting that what is formed is a “mass.” Is this what he is saying? That a “mass” is created? Does he discuss the phenomenon of Gleichschaltung as a totalitarian technique? One cannot understand how the Nazi Party gained total power over the German population without grasping the mechanism of Gleichschaltung, or the “coordination” of the Nazi state. This is not a hypnosis technique. it is a very practical set of steps, overseen by Wilhelm Frick, that forced the German population into at least superficial ideological conformity.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/gleichschaltung-coordinating-the-nazi-state

Kathy
Kathy
Reply to  Jane
1 year ago

You make very good points. Mind you, I do not have a college degree, but I do appreciate the points of a good debate. I have been summing up MY experience with 2020 by saying “I did not see what many other people did in 2020”. Therefore, I did not react the way many did. Both of these books helped ME because I learned I was not alone and I NEED to feel connected with like minded people. Do you believe that either of these books, Breggin’s or Desmet’s were so off point that they would deter people like me from standing against big pharma or the globalists? A lot of the analytical comments seem fascinating for a book club discussion but don’t cause me to worry about who is right. I only HOPE that good people can stop the globalists and I recognize that fighting amongst ourselves isn’t helpful.

Tom
Tom
Reply to  Jane
1 year ago

“When virtually 100% of health=care professionals etc. advise you to get a vaccine, and you follow their advice, that is not “mass formation.” That is “being lied to.”

Nail on head.

The WWII German psychiatrists – and it was almost all of them – who signed the forms that directly led to the mass murder of the patients were not forced to do it by Hitler he certainly facilitated it but the background planning of eugenics happened before Hitler. After the war there was ample evidence to abolish psychiatry for major crimes against humanity. Not only did that not happen only a hand full of doctors hung, almost all of the psychiatrists 1000’s of them got away with it. That must not happen this time round. They have to be held to account. The UK hospitals were almost empty, A Hospital is where doctors work, loads of them, so why didn’t loads of doctors en mass speak out. No one is going to tell me they didn’t realise what they were doing was wrong. They did it to keep their jobs and that is not good enough, they have to be held to account.

NormPatriot
NormPatriot
Reply to  Tom
1 year ago

I wondered as well – these doctors KNEW the official news that hospitals were being crushed with covid patients was a bold face lie. Yet they didn’t speak out. For one, the very media they would speak to in order to get the word out were the ones spouting lies. Two, going against the official story of your employer in the media is a sure way to get fired. Few of the doctors apparently are heroes. They have been pushing questionable pharmaceutical products all their professional lives and that is what they spent all their education on – how to be top salespersons for big pharma. So we’ve been fed misinformation for quite some time. It just came to our attention more clearly with the bold face lying by the establishment media and government went to coercive means to get the most people possible into their vaccine sham.

Kathy
Kathy
Reply to  Tom
1 year ago

I am in the middle of reading a book about the many who were not held accountable after the war and continued to cause problems that likely led to events in today’s world. Americans who were Nazi sympathizers helped this to happen.

tom
tom
Reply to  Kathy
1 year ago

Totally correct MK-Ultra happen’s in psychiatric ‘hospitals’ They are just vast on going experiments where people are abused with highly toxic drugs neuroleptics – antipsychotic’s inside two locked doors and the ones that don’t go crazy with akathisia try to kill themselves / others and survive the abuse they admire. There is no ‘mental health care’

Donald Ewen Cameron learnt from what happened in Germany – not to make it so ostensible.. the likes of this utter monster:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irmfried_Eberl

By about the 1920’s maybe earlier Rockefeller was funding German eugenicist psychiatry – The Kaiser Wilhelm Institute of Anthropology of Human Heredity & Eugenics.(KWI-A) The director was eugenicist psychiatrist Ernst Rüdin, a principle architect of mass sterilization and mass murder known as Aktion T4.

Also

“Carnegie-supported 1911 “Preliminary Report of the Committee of the Eugenic Section of the American Breeder’s Association to Study and to Report on the Best Practical Means for Cutting Off the Defective Germ-Plasm in the Human Population.” Point eight was euthanasia. ”

“The most commonly suggested method of eugenicide in America was a “lethal chamber” or public locally operated gas chambers.”

treepecker
treepecker
Reply to  Craig A Snider
1 year ago

Paranoia isn’t a privilege Craig, and so can’t be earned or forgiven. He isn’t paranoid and his allusion to it is meant to be satirical. Thanks for sticking your neck out for us Mike

rylan
rylan
Reply to  DrMikeYeadon
1 year ago

incidental, so liable to happen as a consequence of, that the social engineering or gaslighting has an effect, mass formation, like how did this become a hardcore either/or, like crossing a street, best to look both ways, yes…

sure we need a focus on the bad actors, if that is your passion then great, however, why the hardcore adamant how dare you to attempt to differentiate the effects and historical nature of the gaslighting…

that as someone who has a passion to geek out in the depths of the psychology of this, i am totally flabbergasted over how this has become perceived as such a threat…

like the best i can discern this is driven by a misunderstanding over some of the finer details that are still being worked out, little stuff that those of us who are deep into this find interesting but how this has become perceived as relevant enough to trigger this response is both disturbing and makes me curious to figure it out…

anyway best to you Dr.Yeadon, thank you for all you have done…

Tom Lowe
Tom Lowe
Reply to  DrMikeYeadon
1 year ago

It is clear to me that mass formation is one of the noticeable effects of the global predation rather than the cause of anything. Hence I see no real dispute between Dr. Breggin and Dr. Malone.

glissmeister
glissmeister
Reply to  DrMikeYeadon
1 year ago

Yeadon, I too have considered the mass formation in play to be mostly incidental and the exploitation and predatory amplification of the phenomenon as spontaneous as not.

There are many drivers in this crises. There are significant competing interests. The greater mistake is to concretize the swirl of events into a singularity of intent and agenda. There are many vultures in the air with many different motives and many wolves in the shadows. Some agendas are deeply personal, some are grand schemes, some of opportunistic and others are seminal and part of a larger and older historical movement. At every level of the unfolding mass selection event set loose upon the modern world another nexus of competing predators and opportunists are on the hunt

It is not impossible that most all of the major theories are substantially correct and operating at will amidst the swirl of forcings that are clearly in play. They do not need to act in concert to effect predictability or the trending of outcomes, or otherwise determinatively shape the future being selected for.

If there is a myth in common lurking in the causality and motive arguments, I think it’s the myth that there are persons in charge. I think they lost control when they set this phenomenon in motion. The selection event in play is global, far bigger than the collective we, far more consequential than any fabulism buffoons like Klaus Schwab, George Soros or Bill Gates may have concretized in their uninventive and mechanistic minds.

Perhaps we are simply mutually alive at a time where fate has us presiding over the death of The Enlightenment era. What is most striking is the collapse of “the trustee role” in modern civilization and gross failure of trustee behavior and culture in the conduct and interplay of major institutions and the superior cultures that dominate the executive of those otherwise zombie-like entities.

The normalization of unconscionable institutional behavior is the most shocking element that has been laid bare in recent events. There are no trustees of the mutual interest in modern institutions, only trustees of special and private interests. One only need look to Justin Trudeau or Crystina Freeland of Canada to see the archetype of such depravity.

So it seems to some we find ourselves and the fate of our children and grandchildren betrayed. Are they truly doomed by fate of tectonic historical forces to be monetized and set upon by yet another emergence of a predator class whose pathologies are exponentially amplified by the institutions infested with failed trustees and opportunists.

There is nothing new in that, but the greater systems of historical forces and disruptive technologies form both prelude and the crucible of the selection event unfolding before us.

We may be living in times where Evil is best measured by its subtlety. Danger is best predicted where hubris becomes promiscuous and proudly declared to be a right of vanity. If the moral and the ethical truly form diametrically opposed ends of the same scale, then truth confronts us with yet another irony.

The irony: show me a moralist and I’ll show you someone incapable of behaving ethically. Mechanistic thinking by rational materialists will only dig the pit deeper. This is my admonishment of Breggin’s approach.

As for the future being selected for by the tectonic forcings now set loose among us, G_d help us all. Our hubris and vanity are no defense against what may follow.

Wayne Walisser
Wayne Walisser
Reply to  DrMikeYeadon
1 year ago

I believe what lies at the heart of the flawless execution is technology run amok, on a scale even way worse than Hiroshima and Nagasaki… and that is the cell phone. Huge masses of people have been conditioned and trained and have learned to think with their thumbs. They have lost their minds and once again those who have lost their humanity (the ultra filthy rich), have taken full advantage. I believe its as simple as that.

Wayne Walisser
Wayne Walisser
Reply to  Wayne Walisser
1 year ago

On CHD.TV’s show this morning (Financial Rebellion), Catherine Austin Fitts explains why cell phones are “Neurological, Military Grade Weaponry”. Bravo Catherine!!

David Evans
David Evans
Reply to  DrMikeYeadon
1 year ago

Hi mike, loved your 2020 motorbike speech. Could never understand why the gov ignored your observations (apart from cui bono).

Joseph Lewis
Joseph Lewis
Reply to  DrMikeYeadon
1 year ago

Mike, but you are not carrier of evil as planned by the globalists; they are powerless without the identifying adherents. Your personality/character formation is different from the person who screams at you in the store for not wearing a mask, and wholly different from a murdering predator as Gates. We choose free-will while others choose slavery, and why everybody does not prefer freedom is in the domain of psychology.

Desmet,in following psychoanalysis and the unconscious, tries to educate the pubic about the interplay of society on the formation of character. The two shall forever be linked.
And a great Thank You for your early warnings.

Julie G
Julie G
Reply to  John Congdon
1 year ago

There is no need to be so gross in your response.

Julie G
Julie G
Reply to  Julie G
1 year ago

Sorry, that was in reply to Tim Holt.

LeoPero
LeoPero
Reply to  TimHolt
1 year ago

THEY are the pompous ones??…Oh boy!

Antonia
Antonia
1 year ago

I am so disappointed and fully disgusted with you Dr. & Ginger Breggin, have you not studied our present catastrophic trajectory sufficiently to KNOW that we all have work to do???? Your derision is unhelpful to say the very least. STOP now before you fully invalidate all your fine work.

Reggie VanderVeen
Reggie VanderVeen
1 year ago

What is wrong with you two people? Why all the anger? Why all the rage? Is your next book going to be entitled “The Ad Hominem: When to Use It to Destroy the Reputations of Those You Hate and Yours Too”?

Mrb000
Mrb000
1 year ago

There’s something off with Malone, as there is with every other individual involved with darpa. There’s something off with Desmet & his hairbrained theories that somehow remind me of Harari & his nonsense. There’s something off with the number of angry comments & it makes me wonder where they’re coming from. Ultimately, we’re in a great spiritual battle so get your spiritual house in order.

DrMikeYeadon
DrMikeYeadon
Reply to  Mrb000
1 year ago

Indeed, I feel like I’m living in a world created by Smiley’s People.

Mark
Mark
Reply to  DrMikeYeadon
1 year ago

Dr. Yeadon, If you, assuming it’s you, are confused by all of this as well–fuck. That’s pretty much all I have to say. 🤣

K. Mitchell
K. Mitchell
1 year ago

Interested in the other side. It’s pretty easy to cast these things in nastier terms than what really happened. This sounds bad, I suppose, HOWEVER…
it doesn’t mean Desmet is wrong about Mass Formation.
Is Desmet in legal trouble over this? Because if not, what did he do wrong?
We’re dealing with mass murder, so the law would definitely have something to say if Desmet did anything illegal.
But it doesn’t sound like he did because there isn’t any legal action against him.
So…
This story seems biased, but I don’t know.
I am concerned these Breggins are controlled opposition. Why attack so viciously otherwise? Makes no sense.

David
David
Reply to  K. Mitchell
1 year ago

” the law would definitely have something to say if Desmet did anything illegal.”
…what an amazing degree of naiveté.
I guess Bill Gates, Fauci and all the rest must be innocent too, because “the law would definitely have something to say if (they) did anything illegal.”

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TRH
TRH
1 year ago

I wonder if we are getting the entire story? Has anyone read this ? https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/is-mattias-desmet-an-expert-in-mass

DrMikeYeadon
DrMikeYeadon
Reply to  TRH
1 year ago

Desmet does disregard what I think is unequivocally happening.
Quote: “ This is nothing like a streamlined execution of a pre-established plan. If these are conspiracy theorists, they are the lousiest ones ever. “

That’s a very concerning remark. You see, if I’m right, Desmet would be speaking against me. That’s an upsetting possibility.

Tom Lowe
Tom Lowe
Reply to  DrMikeYeadon
1 year ago

My brother who is retired as Director of Pathology at Genentech always attributes evil to incompetence. Always. He just can’t wrap his head around the idea that some people are sociopaths or psychopaths. He is a victim of mass formation. And he had COVID a couple months ago after getting his FOURTH booster. He will never figure it out.

With such credent, naive people being in medical leadership roles, little wonder we have the medical mess that we have going on now.

Any time my brother cannot figure out a disease, well, then it has to be genetic. Every single time. #ABV

Pam
Pam
Reply to  Tom Lowe
1 year ago

Interesting observations. I think it would be helpful to use our own words, as you have, to describe what we’re seeing rather than adopting ideas such as Desmets’ which are not entirely accurate and can mislead those who aren’t paying close attention to details.

They try to control the language to steer us where they want us to go. The use of his theory to blame the victim and tar dissenters as nut cases is troubling.

In my own words, I’d say many of the people who believe the covid story are conditioned, brainwashed, compliant, naive, trusting, fearful . . . Many words fit. Why confine the discussion to Desmet’s idea. And when we use our own words, we can then think of cause – education, media, TV shows, professional organizations, seminars, continuing ed, religion, government . . .

Why let someone else define the problem and control the conversation. We can think for ourselves and don’t have to argue whether someone is a fraud.

Pam
Pam
Reply to  Tom Lowe
1 year ago

Interesting observations. I think it would be helpful to use our own words, as you have, to describe what we’re seeing rather than adopting ideas such as Desmets’ which are not accurate and can mislead those who aren’t paying close attention to details.

They try to control the language to steer us where they want us to go. The use of his theory to blame the victim and tar dissenters as nut cases is troubling.

In my own words, I’d say many of the people who believe the covid story are conditioned, brainwashed, compliant, naive, trusting, fearful . . . Many words fit. Why confine the discussion to Desmet’s idea. And when we use our own words, we can then think who, why, how are they doing this – education, media, TV shows, professional organizations, seminars, continuing ed, religion, government, foundations, corporations. . .

Why let someone else define the problem and control the conversation. We can think for ourselves and don’t have to argue whether someone is a fraud.

Rosalind
Rosalind
Reply to  DrMikeYeadon
1 year ago

I’m a conspiracy theorist , not by choice. It seems to me this was planned. Just based on patents & the numerous lies the public was told. ( God bless and protect all truth tellers)

Jane
Jane
Reply to  DrMikeYeadon
1 year ago

Actually, in labeling those who see a plan behind the covid op as conspiracy theorists, Desmet is carrying water whover did plan this thing (we have plenty of likely suspects). Because what was MOST STRIKING ABOUT THE COVID ROLLOUT was the many signs that it had been planned in advance.

Even at the time there were plenty of signals of planning: The identical “messaging”; the simultaneous rollout of similar policies across many countries of planet Earth (cue: the role fo the WHO); the sudden appearance in every city and every small town of identical signs and public service videos, in the Post office, in transportation hubs, in buses, in any public buildings, etc. reminding us to social distance, “protect yourself and others” by wearing a mask (proven years ago to have zero efficacy), wash hands, and the rest of the infantilizing litany; the imposition of identical lockdown policies; the worldwide vaccine coercion . . .I could go on.

All of this smacked of planning, even before we were able to view videos of Event 201 and other such previous planning events, none of which emphasized public helath and all of which emphasized social control and potential for screw tightening on citizens’ freedoms. On hindsight this is all the more obvious. In fact, it sure smacked on “coordination.” And “coordination is the most common translation of the German “Gleichschaltung”: measures taken quickly after 1933 that enable Hitler to gain complete social control of the Germans under the Third Reich.

And here we have Desmet denying any kind of planning and pushing an arcane argument instead, and supported in the popularization of this theory in the USA by none other than Dr. Robert Malone.

Something really stinks here.

Malone has to account for himself not to Dr. Peter Breggin, to but to truth seekers like me and others here who looked to him and Dr. McCullough as beacons of enlightenment who shared their professional knowlege with the public to bolster resistance to the dangeros and malicious jab mandates.

Now we learn that Malone himself had the jab.
Now Malone is blowing his credibility further by jumping on the Desmet bandwagon.
Why? Malone knows nothing about this subject. I can tell this from listening to him.talk about it on Joe Rogin. He references the Third reich but purveys banal stereotypical notions of life under the Third Reich. I bet Malone has not read a single book about the Third Reich, although Desmet and he and Desmet’s accolytes continually mention it. .
Would Malone consult Desmet on replication of the mRNA in human cells?
I certainly hope not.
Malone is being led by Desmet.
Dr. Malone: Stay away from this Desmet campaign, or risk blowing not only your own credibility in the covid truth movement but also tainting, by association, that of Dr. Peter McCullough. .

Jane
Jane
Reply to  TRH
1 year ago

Basically Desmet blames ideologies for the course that events take. He uses the passive to say that ideologies arise. He focuses a lot on the phrase conspiracy theory” and what is, exactly, a conspiracy theory. But he doesn’t see a plan. I agree that with a lot of verbiage he basically seems to be saying that Gates, Schwab, Tedros, etc. are all subverted by a mechanistic ideology that has overtaken planet Earth and its human population.

To me this is a lot of verbiage whose purpose seems to be to sidestep the concrete issues and downplay the roles of the actual players
Is Fauci in the grip of an “ideology”?
If so, it is an ideology that rests of making a hell of lot of greenbacks from owning patents that arose from research paid for by taxpayers!!!
Ideology schmideology.

geo
geo
1 year ago

psyops within the freedom movement…. can’t tell friend from foe… epidemic of lying and deceit….. so corrupt, so embedded in society can we stop the total implosion of the nation, of civilization?

DrMikeYeadon
DrMikeYeadon
Reply to  geo
1 year ago

It would be expected that the perpetrators would be highly motivated to parachute plausible people into this geopolitical & anti human technocratic battle with the intention of causing frictions.

Alison Finlayson
Alison Finlayson
1 year ago

From what I understand of Desmet’s explanation of “mass formation psychosis” , the powers that be have created this state in the population, deliberately. I don’t believe he lays the blame on the victims.
He merely proposes that the masses are hypnotised to the extent that they do not see the harm being done to them , and willingly submit.

Please have a think about the division your accusations are creating.
Is this actually going to help us out of this mess?

Let’s all pull together and not waste energy on bickering.

DrMikeYeadon
DrMikeYeadon
Reply to  Alison Finlayson
1 year ago

While I definitely want that unified opposition to the perpetrators, I do understand Breggin’s concerns.
IIRC his specific concern is that, for unknown reasons, Desmet denies that there’s a globally organised set of perpetrators, emphasizing mass formation while all but letting off the hook the very notion (of an overarching plan.
Impliedly, Desmet thinks I’m an anxious, psychologically unwell person for holding the views I speak of often.
The difference is that I have expertise of a high level in several of the biological science sub-disciplines relevant to the global COVID fraud.
I was unaware that Desmet was dismissive of conspiracy theorists.
If this is true, I’m going to assume Desmet is too frightened or unaware of the facts to examine what I’ve been saying. The only other explanation is rather dark & I’m not going there, because I can see my prior explanation is reasonably plausible.

Last edited 1 year ago by DrMikeYeadon
Monica
Monica
Reply to  DrMikeYeadon
1 year ago

Have you not read Desmet’s book? Surely no one can comment on this thread until they have. The criticism from Breggin is utterly absurd, tbh.

Dr. Xavier Figueroa
Dr. Xavier Figueroa
Reply to  Monica
1 year ago

Dr. Breggin cites Desmet’s work in a very scholarly fashion (see Mass Formation and Mass Psychosis: A False and Dangerous Concept that Threatens Our Freedom – America Out Loud). He does not take Professor Desmet out of context and builds his case assiduously. From your comments, Monica, you have read “The Psychology of Totalitarianism”? In what specific way is Dr. Breggin “utterly absurd”? Please keep in mind that we are talking about a man (Dr. Breggin) who has spent his entire career exposing the very egregious and illegal acts that members of the psychiatric, cybernetic and MK Ultra funded programs were perpetrating on the US and international community. When you look up Informed Consent, there should be a picture of Peter and Ginger next to it.

These programs did not happen in a vacuum and were very carefully hidden and funded. If Dr. Breggin has an ego to stoke, it has been well tempered by the fact that he has seen what happens when you are the only one defending the defenseless that nobody wants to think about.

There is room for disagreement between well-meaning people. Dr. Breggin is pointing out the weakness in Dr. Desmet’s construct of the mass psychosis phenomenon…this surrender to totalitarianism is not a spontaneous event, it is an engineered event. If you believe that the global COVID lockdowns were a natural occurrence and not an engineered event, then I think this is where the dissonance is occurring. Dr. Desmet may be well-meaning, but if these ideas take hold, they will make it much harder to take corrective action.

There is a great deal of danger to ascribe what has happened as a naturally occurring phenomenon due to the passions/mental state of the masses. Remember, the proto-Nazis engineered the Reichstag fire, stoked the hatred towards the untermench after attaining power, bombarded the German populace with fear, ensured that all media was in service to the state and no dissenting voices could be heard (I’m sure that it doesn’t sound familiar now).

As for Dr. Yaedon having doubts about Dr. Desmet’s position on the events that have occurred globally, let’s also keep in mind that he has experienced (first-hand) what bucking the majority will do to you. Dr. Yeadon’s reasoning and explanation are eminently reasonable.

I was grateful when Dr. Desmet and Dr. Malone spoke out and pushed back on the absurd COVID narrative, but we must guard against excusing too much. This was a coordinated global attack, as was well documented in Dr. Breggin’s book, Dr, Ealy’s filing for a grand jury and Dr. Chris Martin’s legal challenge. It is not unreasonable that there are groups stocking division and using groups to do so.

Disagreements must arise for the truth to really come forth.

As for needing to read Dr. Desmet’s book, I am working through it now…but I have also listened and watched many of his interviews and I am seeing a great deal of overlap, which concerns me. Maybe in the future Dr. Desmet may expand on his work and clarify where he stands: engineered or conspiracy theory delusion?

Paul Adams
Paul Adams
1 year ago

The big issue I have with Malone is that he invented the mRNA technology, aka CRISPR, that gives rise to the editing of human DNA, making us ‘un-human”. So, while he condemns the jabs as being lethal from one side of his mouth, from the other side he is all for gene editing. Gaslighting 101. I’m the creator of nojabforme.info

Mark
Mark
Reply to  Paul Adams
1 year ago

Paul! Your website is and has been of incalculable value to me in my journey toward the truth. You questioning Malone gives me the heeby jeebies–about Malone, and with that said, I’m still confused as to where to land for numerous reasons, but it’s got me wanting to dig a little further. Keep up the good work, soldier.

In Christ,

Mark

Tom Lowe
Tom Lowe
Reply to  Paul Adams
1 year ago

The gf has Parkinson’s and there is no known cure. BUT, they have developed something that appears to work in mice, and hopefully human clinical trials will begin soon. I do believe that this potential cure came about as an eventual result of Dr. Malone’s work in mRNA. Like most tools, mRNA can be used for good or for bad. Right now with COVID-19 it is being used for bad–on a massive scale–and Dr. Malone is pointing this out.

Robert Wallace Malone
Robert Wallace Malone
Reply to  Paul Adams
1 year ago

the mRNA tech has nothing to do with CRISPR. And was invented decades before.

Candylouise2020
Candylouise2020
1 year ago

Stop attacking Dr. Malone. He is trying to bring some truth and integrity to the table.

Jane
Jane
Reply to  Candylouise2020
1 year ago

Malone needs to stick to biology and the experience he gained from working with the CIA, etc. That is his contribution. He should stay away from expounding on “mass formation.” This is an idea, and unproved hypothesis, and harping on it does not advance a useful debate, not to mention a useful program of pushback against the powerful actors engaged in trying to establish control via a medical tyranny that is the vector for establishing total surveillance and total control.

What does “mass formation” have to do with, the say, the very real dangers to our freedoms represented by CBDC (central bank digital currency)? Nothing that I can see. .

Focusing on “mass formation” is a big red herring and a dead end for needed analysis, investigation of the perps, activisim, and consciousness raising, IMO.

Janbunz
Janbunz
1 year ago

Sorry you have so much RAGE and ANGER within yourselves! No wonder your book isn’t selling! I wouldn’t read it now if you gave it to me. Successful adults ruining your once good reputation! What the EFF is wrong with both of you?? What a pity!!!

John Congdon
John Congdon
1 year ago

I have much respect for both Malone and Desmet along with their work in informing the public to what has been going on “behind the scene” of the plandemic. As mentioned above we need to be letting go of attacking one another. I find the interpretations presented in this article to be considerably off the mark.

Brian Tyson, MD
Brian Tyson, MD
1 year ago

The ego system at play is clearly getting in the way of what actually matters.

William Hunter Duncan
William Hunter Duncan
1 year ago

The liberals I know who advocated for the unvaccinated to not receive health care, to have their social security taken away, to be put in camps, are the banality of evil Hannah Arendt wrote about. They might be victims of those who planned and executed this covid madness, but they are certainly not blameless, not particularly sympathetic, and would have accepted righteously, totalitarian monstrosities perpetrated by the state against the unvaccinated. They are even know perpetrating a kind of mass murder, many of them, still vaccinating, still advocating for boosters, still shaming those who won’t take them. Calling them victims is excusing your own mass murderers.

Jane
Jane
Reply to  William Hunter Duncan
1 year ago

I agree, and well put.
IMO these “enforcers” would be better described as controlling types with narcissistic personality disorder, than as the victims of hypnosis.

these kinds of people wait for and welcomer opportunities to officiously boss around others and align themselves with authority.

alicia
alicia
Reply to  William Hunter Duncan
1 year ago

Perfect comment, William=I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said.

ty montgomery
ty montgomery
1 year ago

hmmm… dr malone is something of an enigma to me.

early on dr malone warned authorities against vaccinating during a pandemic. he said it would drive the evolution of resistant strains. then dr malone got vaccinated during the pandemic. does this make sense? he claims he got vaccinated so he could travel. so maybe he figured, “what the heck. everyone else is doing it, i might as well do it too.” i don’t know. but to warn against something and then do it makes no sense to me.

dr malone, (allegedly) one of the creators or inventors of the mRNA technology, knew that the technology had never gotten past the animal testing phase before being used in the covid vaccines. but dr malone was ok with blindly getting the vaccine. i say blindly because when asked about this in an interview he said that he just assumed they had worked all the bugs out. assuming the bugs had been worked out makes no sense coming from a guy who is an expert in this field. it would have a taken few moments of his time to find out specifically what they did to work the bugs out. he’s an industry and government insider for goodness sake. i imagine all he had to do was make a few phone calls, read a few papers, and he would have known that all was not well in mRNA vaccine land. and since the mRNA platform is (supposedly) his creation, certainly he kept abreast of the latest updates to it?! so i don’t buy the “i just assumed they worked out the bugs so didn’t bother to check” story. further, skipping the animal testing phase when they warp-sped the vaccines should have been a huge red flag to someone like dr malone. skipping this critical part of the process would have raised some concern and at the very least piqued his scientific curiosity. but no, we’re suppose to believe that he just assumed they worked the bugs (bugs that kill!) out so he rolled up his sleeve and took the needle so he could travel. ok, sure.

i stopped listening to dr malone interviews a while ago because his personal vaccine story seems rather fluid and really doesn’t add up. and on more than one occasion he sounded like a whiny little victim, like someone who got fooled into getting a vaccine that almost killed (his words) him and is now pissed about it. are we really supposed to believe that this mRNA and vaccine expert got fooled into getting jabbed? seriously? he got fooled but i didn’t? come on. something off about this guy. and now he’s selling books and wants to run for political office.

ty montgomery
ty montgomery
Reply to  ty montgomery
1 year ago

so i wonder. does dr malone claim to have been under the spell of mass formation psychosis when he got jabbed? and now he’s not? or was he merely misinformed and consequently made a bad choice? several people i know who got jabbed now regret doing it. they claim they will never get another. not any kind of vaccine ever. nor will they wear masks. they now know they were lied to by the government, the media, the deathcare industry, and big pharma. so were they under some sort of spell? or were they being fed bad information by a bunch of bad players from which they made bad choices?

Lone
Lone
Reply to  ty montgomery
1 year ago

I have questioned all these different people that suddenly sounded like they were on the freedom side especially the ones that took the bioweapon or had previously worked for in these industries or companies.

Are they put there for a reason???

Trust is a big word these days and I trust very few people at this point. Begging I knew about way before covid. However, maybe it should have been handled differently, but why was Malone suddenly part of it? Begging is definitely on point about the criminals and we should never forget about that and they DO need to be held accountable!!! Quetion everything!!!

Jane
Jane
Reply to  ty montgomery
1 year ago

Huh, I didn’t know that he had gotten the jab.
To travel?

Well, he has to have known that the jabs were bogus—even I knew that as soon as they terminated the control group—so Malone knew it, too.

Proabably, because he is well connected, he was able to get a saline solution and the needed box checked on the vaxx app on his phone.

Come to think of it, Malone’s connection with the CIA make him an odd candidate for going to town on the “mass formation” platform. Since he apparently knows a lot of the real dirty secrets of how the CIA operates, and plans the national security state might have for the CRISPR technology.

Coule his open espousal and promulgation of the “mass formation” idea be a red herring in plain sight? Like, “let’s talk about mass formation, and not about what I know about real CIA etc. operations.” Just wondering . …

Roy Bauchman
Roy Bauchman
1 year ago

What’s an ordinary guy like me — I work as a security guard — to think, when a group of people I respect, yourselves Dr. and Ginger Breggin, and Matthais Desmet and Robert Malone, sound like they’re almost ready to come to blows? Surely all of you, and Peter McCullough and Christine Massey and Steve Kirsch and all the rest, should be singing off the same choir book in opposition to the monstrous, abominable fraud, of “Covid-19”, not to mention the Crapcines? — Which from what I’ve been reading will eventually kill everyone who has taken them.

Just saying..

Lynda Hynes
Lynda Hynes
1 year ago

I love Dr Breggin and Ginger for the amazing work they have done to show us the truth behind Covid. I love Dr Robert W Malone for his courage and conviction in speaking the truth about the dangers of the ‘vaccines’. I love Mattias Desmet for putting across a theory that might explain why many intelligent people have joined “the Covid Cult”, and what we can do about it. It’s a theory: I want a world where anyone can express a theory and not get vilified – or cancelled – if it isn’t correct.
   I hope all concerned can make peace. You are all heroes and we desperately need you now.

Kari
Kari
1 year ago

So disappointed. This is all so unnecessary and works against the seriousness of the situation by driving a wedge between people that are basically on the same side. How to destroy one’s own. Very disappointing.

joesph
joesph
1 year ago

Though I have yet to read any of Dr. Beggin’s writings, just the titles, the topics he pursues keep his books on my read list. As for Dr. Malone, again my impression of Malone is not backed by personal research. However, if I had to point my finger at one or the other as a compromised agent of the, for lack of a better term, the Deep State, like a dowsing rod my hand would gravitate towards Malone.

Daphne
Daphne
1 year ago

Please stop the attention-seeking behavior. We have more important things to deal with than your personal issues.

Jane
Jane
Reply to  Daphne
1 year ago

There is a genuine issue here.
Why is Malone putting so much energy into this “mass formation” hypothesis?
To me phrases like “attentoin-seeking behavior” are psychobabble. To me, a lot of what Desmet says is also psychobabble—a cobbled-together theory that sounds a lot more solid than it is. Constant mentions of Nazi Germany are not actual evidence.

Certainly the theory is worth discussing, but IMO it has taken over too much of the crucially needed open debate on the covid psy-op.

IRISH
IRISH
1 year ago

no one tops fraudci for murders starting with the false “aids/hiv”BS that continues after nearly 40 years and the latest covidiocy hoax.

Karl Elshoff
Karl Elshoff
1 year ago

There is clearly a eugenicist movement behind the COVID related medical murders happening in the hospitals and the administering of the clot shot. If the punishment doesn’t fit the crime the law becomes a joke; Nuremberg type trials are needed to prevent something like this from happening again.

Dristol
Dristol
1 year ago

This is in line with Desmet’s misdirecting mass formation concept. As someone posted elsewhere …

“The official framing of the mass formation (or mass psychosis) “phenomenon” is misleading and wrong in terms of what the whole true reality is. The false hope-addicted psychologists and their acolytes want you to believe this is “just some temporary occasional” madness by the masses when it is but a spike of a CHRONIC madness going on for aeons with “civilized” people — read “The 2 Married Pink Elephants In The Historical Room –The Holocaustal Covid-19 Coronavirus Madness: A Sociological Perspective & Historical Assessment Of The Covid “Phenomenon”” …. https://www.rolf-hefti.com/covid-19-coronavirus.html

One of these mainstream psychologists who have been spreading this whitewashed reality, Dr. Desmet, also fails to see that the PLANNED Covid Psyop is a TOTALLY deliberate ploy because he doesn’t think (after more than 1 year, even 2 years, into this total PLANNED scam!) it’s ALL intentionally sinister as he stated in a prior podcast (this makes him witting or unwitting controlled opposition).

In the May of 2022 podcast with James Corbett he stated that “some people tend to overestimate the degree of planning and intentions” (behind the COUNTLESS, VERIFIABLE, FULLY INTENTIONAL, FULLY PLANNED atrocities by the ruling tribe of psychopaths over the last century alone) and see all of it as being planned which Desmet called “an extreme position” … Sound logical thinking is “extreme” and therefore false and sick in his demented delusional view!!!

In his overpriced misleading whitewashing old material regurgitated book the psychology of totalitarianism he too states that “There are countless … examples that seem to point in the direction of a plan being implemented, such as the fact that the definition of ‘pandemic’ was adjusted shortly before the coronavirus crisis; that the definition of ‘herd immunity’ was changed during the crisis, implying that only vaccines can achieve it … [he continuous with several other obvious facts of an ENTIRELY PLANNED event, especially discerned through the totality of all these facts].” “SEEM to point in the direction of a plan”??? No! They most evidently, clearly, and irrefutably DO demonstrate and prove it IS a COMPLETELY AND FULLY DELIBERATE PlanDemic! A big scam. An Entirely Planned Holocaust against the non-ruling herd of people (see cited link above). A coherent 12-year old kid can figure that out.

It clearly shows Desmet’s own complete lunacy. But because almost everyone in the culture is a member of mass formation (madness), including the “woke” people of the alternative media domain, hardly anyone recognizes Desmet’s lunacy. Not surprising that he has even become some type of popular “guru” among the adherents of the alternative media landscape and his whitewashed fake narrative strongly resonates with both mainstream people and alternative mainstream folks.

With his false use of language Desmet obscures or hides the true reality instead of directly and uncompromising exposing it — aiding the obfuscation of the vital reality of what the ruling authorities really are. He does the same thing when he speaks of ‘the elite’ (as he does in a number of podcasts) when, in reality, they are THE SCUM OF HUMANS because they are REALITY-VERIFIED PSYCHOPATHS (see referenced source above). Yet in the Corbett podcast he “teaches” us that we, the masses, need to start thinking differently. Right… how about YOU start with sane instead of insane thinking/talking/”teaching”/etc, Dr. Desmet?

How do self-styled “truth-tellers” wake up the masses to the so-called truth when they THEMSELVES use lies with their deceitful fake language???
No one is “teaching” or “waking up” the ignorant masses to the CORE truths with lies, with the official “language of lies” (see cited source above).

This all means Desmet is ALSO a member of the masses of lunatics, an ACTIVE CARD-CARRYING MEMBER of mass formation!!! When, if at all, will he wake up from his state of mass psychosis, his “invisible” stupidity? When, if at all, will he face the TRUE and FULL reality instead of hiding behind fantasies such as his whitewashed “reality” of human civilization?

It shows we live in a global mental asylum with criminal and/or delusional mainstream psychologists, scientists, and docs as the guards, “teachers” and “therapists” … The blind/criminal/mad leading the blind/criminal/mad; the blind/criminal/mad adhere to the blind/criminal/mad = the human madhouse.

Worst of all, perhaps, the mass formation/mass psychosis notion frames the problem as the public being a mere unaccountable non-culpable victim in this phenomenon (the gist of the circular argument is: the masses should change their thinking but they got brainwashed so they’re victims). Nothing could be further from the truth (see referenced source above).

Desmet is right in that truth-activists must fight against mass formation psychosis (human madness). That also means exposing HIS deeply destructive mad part of it. This comment serves, in part, that objective.”

RubyBerry
RubyBerry
1 year ago

What an utterly cringeworthy post. I watched Breggin with Austin-Fitts when they began this awful, uneducated, witch-hunt. It was beyond embarrassing when the so-called ‘expert’ in psychoanalysis, lectured an economist on ‘why Freud was such a fraud’. My God, I thought we’d just gone back in time to academia of the 1940’s! Anyone with an ounce of knowledge about sociology, psychology and philosophy, and a genuine interest in human behavioural research, knows that Desmet’s book is a seminal piece of the jigsaw in understanding the catastrophic political and health crises the world faces today. Do the retired Breggins really want to remembered (by their grandchildren?) for this type of hate-speech? You should both be ashamed for the unnecessary division you have caused. Best to reel-in that author-ego, Breggin – go spend the emotional energy of your final days doing something more productive and positive instead. How about finding your local Freedom Community and helping people who genuinely are in need basic support? Because THIS kind of post, isn’t helpful for anyone. The best thing you can do, is read all these comments, reflect deeply on them, then delete this article and apologise to those you have insulted. I, for one, certainly won’t be reading any more of your writing.

Christine Kent
Christine Kent
1 year ago

I find myself deeply disappointed by this exchange.

There are two ideas.

One is that there is a malevolent elite manipulating humankind into something or other – let’s not get hung up on just who they are and what they are manipulating us into, let’s just concede that it is happening.

The second is that the human race is vulnerable to this form of manipulation, and when the manipulation is carried out well enough on a large enough scale, many, but not all, will become enforcers on behalf of those doing the manipulating. This has occurred time and time again in human history and we are foolish to deny it.

Both of these are true simultaneously. I am not taking anyone’s side here, just saying that both ideas can happily live side by side and hand in hand.There is an elite doing the manipulating, there are the masses that fall for it, and there is a third group, the minority, who retain some level of independent thought. That’s those of us reading this.

Who is in which group only becomes an issue when we try to work out how to move on.

In the first case, we know that there are parties from amongst the ruling elite who are seriously culpable, both of mass murder and of causing societal and economic collapse. There must be some redress, and lets not argue about the form that the redress could or should take at this stage – that is just another way of causing pointless arguments. Let us just agree that there is a small elite that has done terrible things,and that has to be stopped.

But what about the rest? What about those who outrageously bullied those of us who resisted the brainwashing and refused to have our actions controlled? Are they as culpable as those who manipulated them into becoming the brainwashed masses acting out on behalf of the elites? Let us be clear, these people are not the elites. These people are brainwashed. And these people, even now, are enforcing on behalf of the elites.

I maintain that, if we are to move on, we have to take control of those elites so they stop what they are doing and are never able to do it again. Somehow.

And I maintain that we have to get the masses back on our side – these very masses who advocated that the un-jabbed be thrown out of society, declined medical treatment and locked up into perpetuity – these people we have to get back onto our side. And the only way we can do that, is to forgive them. The doctors and nurses who administered the kill shots and refused to administer life-saving medical protocols – I would require them to admit fault and apologise to earn their forgiveness – they have to undermine their previous bosses. And they are in a very powerful position to do just that, if they have the courage, and if they know we will forgive them. The rest, those terrible local bullies who tried to make our lives individual hells, well, we just continue to bombard them with facts and continue to try to bring them across to our side. To do this we must not degenerate to their level of fear and hatred. We must occupy the moral high ground.

We have to remember, that the masses always sway with whatever wind blows. As long as we let them, and even help them, they will return to sanity eventually, as long as our hatred of them is not allowed to build and prevent them from coming back to that sanity.

We have to be the bigger people.

And silly spats like this one do us no credit.

Mary12
Mary12
1 year ago

Thinking people would never inject their children with an experimental poison, or so I thought. By the end of the last school year in my son’s class at school he was the only pure blood left. Cognitive diversity among students’ parents? No more. They did so because shallow demagogues in white coats shamelessly misled them. The entire medical profession has become a pantheon of bootlicking statists – nearly overnight. Apparently, some filthy rich megalomaniacs have formed a loose network with Wall Street heavyweights in order to bring all of humanity to its knees. They keep governments and media outlets across the globe under their control. The perpetrators will be held accountable – this is my hope. I am convinced we are in a spiritual battle – impossible to win without GOD.

AnotherLover
AnotherLover
1 year ago

“by declaring that the masses originated the problem and that there was no malicious or organized planning behind it.”

They hang themselves. Desmet’s assertions would make no sense if there was no organized planning behind “it.”

lebom
lebom
1 year ago

It seems Dr. Breggin failed to mention that Dr. Desmet (Dr. in Psychology and Professor in the area) practiced outside the US and follows different professional rules. Even in the US, there are laws protecting the confidentiality of Pt’s disclosures. There are only very few exceptions when a psychotherapist can disclose protected information. In this case, it would be “Danger to Others” and is well defined by local State Laws. In California, for example, there is no allowance for disclosing past murder(s). So, it would be illigal for a therapist to call the police and tell them what the patient did. Only if there is a specific plan action for the future that the therapist not only is allowed but mandated to report and protect (Google “Tarassoff” danger to others for more specifics).

Kathleen Morris
Kathleen Morris
1 year ago

Desmet is a freakin’ creep.

David Cattell
David Cattell
1 year ago

Why do you see Mass Formation taking the blame away from the perpetrators? Surely it is just giving an explanation of the levers the perpetrators are using to herd the victims. Your agenda to discredit the messenger here seems like a distraction from the real issue.

Cathleen
Cathleen
1 year ago

God bless you both!

David
David
1 year ago

Breggin is simply pointing out that Desmet & Malone are acting as apologists for the guilty mthrfkers that are manipulating the masses with lies and disinformation – apologists for the guilty parties who are using humanity’s vulnerability to phenomenon Desmet labels “mass formation” against us.
For them, mass formation is just a tool of control. One of many weaknesses of humanity that they exploit for their own ends. These ideas have been written about and studied for a long time, that is how they are able to use it so effectively. These are not original ideas. Desmet has made a career out of repackaging them as some kind of novel theory.
Apologists who distract from and diminish the crimes of the psychopaths need to be called out for diminishing and distracting from the crimes of the psychopaths.

A huge thank you to the Breggins for bringing this distinction to the fore!

As a side note, the onus is now on Desmet to clarify/justify why he decided to play judge and let his “patient” literally get away with murder, after which said patient apparently committed more murders.
How reprehensible. It’s a huge stain on his career, and yes, it most definitely puts his professional judgement into question.
And how reprehensible that people on this board are downplaying Desmet’s irresponsible oversight which resulted in people being murdered.
Desmet is doing us all a huge disservice by using his repackaged theories to essentially blame the victims for the extremely well planned mass genocide that is well underway, planned & organized by exposed eugenicists who Desmet is letting off the hook.
There is an enemy, and it is not ourselves.

Cheryl Denise Bray
Cheryl Denise Bray
1 year ago

Dr. Breggin, I have great respect for your research and lifelong commitment to truth and transparency. AND, I understand how your professional and personal life experience uniquely informs your opinions on this matter. For you, this topic hits very close to home.

Nonetheless, in the midst of your diatribe against Drs Malone and Desmet, you clearly state you are UNSURE of the timing of events (when did Dr. Desmet know) and of course, due to patient/doctor confidentiality, you don’t know WHAT was said in private session. Yet, without this certainty, you make very strong adversarial statements against both Drs. Desmet and Malone. I find the tenor and content of your piece a bit unprofessional (even with all the citations) and quite unproductive.

If you disagree with the premise of mass formation psychosis for scientific reasons, then of course, make that argument. But the personal attacks are not warranted.

Ross M.
Ross M.
1 year ago

The enemies of the people are not Dr Malone or Dr Desmet. Maybe they highlighted some different aspects of the covid scheme, the reactions among the population, instead of the global predators. But that is just their point of view, and it is a very valid one because the predators would have gotten nowhere had the masses not fallen for their deception.
I urge the Breggings to reconsider their position and listen to Dr Desmet’s request for open discussion. This internal division over personal preferences is just what the predators want and seek.
By criticizing each other, we are playing the predators’ sick game.
Dr Desmet’s book extensively details the scheme of the predators. It is just not the main topic. Why would he write a book on predators if such book was already written and published? He is a very smart and honest person and I am really sad to hear this criticism towards him.
Please reconsider your stance Dr Bregging. We need to stand united against the predators.

Hubert Geelen
Hubert Geelen
1 year ago

Wouldn’t it have been better for Dr Breggin to have personally contacted Dr Desmet about the facts before starting a public discussion, which may be unnecessary?

Robert Wallace Malone
Robert Wallace Malone
Reply to  Hubert Geelen
1 year ago

I facilitated this, Breggin has refused.

Garrett Smith
Garrett Smith
1 year ago

Dr. Breggin and Ginger, what the hell happened to your minds? I never thought someone with your integrity would behave like this. Shameful!

Claire Potter
Claire Potter
1 year ago

I have great respect for Dr. Malone leaving his past life and speaking out for early treatment, and in opposition to the vaccines. I subscribe to his substack. I am also happy to see the Breggins analyze Desmet’s claims thoroughly.. When I first read Desmet, I thought his mass formation concept did not describe the COVID tyranny at all and was surprised when so many people started to talk about it. To me, Desmet is using a lot of words to describe nothing at all.

James McDonald
James McDonald
1 year ago

I am a big fan of the Breggins and of Dr Robert Malone and Matthias Desmet. It seems to me that there has been little or no face-to-face dialogue between Breggins and Desmet and the Breggins are up for a fight that they don’t need to step into. How do we counter totalitarian behaviour? By meeting people face to face, not via text messages or emails. I have read Matthia’s book, and I simply cannot agree with the conclusions I read in the Breggins article. I feel both Breggins and Desmet follow principles of humanity, both have their heart in the right place, and both are universally aligned. No need for all the fuss.

Robert Wallace Malone
Robert Wallace Malone
Reply to  James McDonald
1 year ago

The failure to discuss is entirely on the Breggin side. read this https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/is-mattias-desmet-an-expert-in-mass . I have written emails etc. to both trying to facilitate productive discussion. Mattias has offered to discuss with them. All can be documented. This is not a “both sides are guilty” or other version of “both sides”isms. This is all one way.

Lee
Lee
1 year ago

Goodness, these are all trolls put to a task. You call it like you see it, Dr Malone calling like that was off hand, since when is a highly respected doctor like yourself forbidden free thought and speech..Desmit, well it seems your long experiences have raised your curiosity and you needed to write about Mr Desmit. All these trolls have the same words, do you suppose it’s Dr Malone ?

Theoriginallisa
Theoriginallisa
1 year ago

I’ve only run across Mr Breggin a couple of times, but something about him didn’t set right with me. Now I’m certain I made the right call.

Jane
Jane
Reply to  Theoriginallisa
1 year ago

Why odn’t you try reading a few of his books—or even his Wikipedia entry.
Dr. Breggin does have a pretty big ego, but he also has a genuine record as a healer, as someone who sees through a lot of BS, including the ways that individuals can be psychologically victimized, also by their families and physicians. He is an expert in his field who is often called upon to testify in court cases involving mental health issues. That may be one reason for his strong response to this story about Desmet. . .

Jane
Jane
Reply to  Jane
1 year ago

Just to amplify a bit on my last point, Dr. Breggin’s whole career has been devoted to being an advocate for patients. Often he has gone up against powerful interest groups, also within his own profession of psychiatry, to reveal misguided and profit-driven practices that can harm patients.

I can imagine that Dr. Breggin sees in this Desmet incident with the murderer an instance of putative patient advocacy gone terribly wrong. This would, rightly, lead Breggin to question Desmet’s qualifications as a therapist and hence his qualifications to formulate a solid general hypothesis on the the workings of the human psyche.

And so Breggin is questioning not only the hypothesis but the professional bona fides of the man who has come up with the hypothesis.

Perhaps, as part of his therapy, Desmet tried hypnosis on Poppe and thought it had succeeded in curing Poppe of his problem?

Guido Vandeven
Guido Vandeven
1 year ago

Dr. Breggin you’re a very represented authority in my library, read 5 of your books and ad far as I can remember, didn’t you say in one of the books talking back to Prozac meaning don’t swallow it, so why don’t you back to Desmet! to me as a runaway from all shrinks, this smells like some kind of cowardice and to be more concrete to Jealousy. Make this come clear nobody win, certainly not the one stonewalling and censoring a easy called murderer of masses

Robert Wallace Malone
Robert Wallace Malone
1 year ago

For your information

From: Mattias Desmet <Mattias.Desmet@xxx>
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 12:30 AM
To: rwmalonemd <rwmalonemd@xxx>; ginger breggin <grbreggin@xxx>
Cc: Peter Breggin <breggin@xxx>
Subject: Re: Desmit
 
Dear Ginger, dear Peter,
One week ago, I invited you to have a (public or private) conversation with me. I didn’t receive a response yet.
I started to read your book review and in my humble opinion – which is not entirely irrelevant, I believe – you misinterpret the content of my book in many respects.
In almost every sentence and every paragraph I read, it seems that you miss the point I make and refer to my book in a distorted way.
Moreover, you accuse me of intentional manipulation of the population, to blame the victims in this crisis, to give a psychiatric label to everyone in what you call the ‘freedom movement’, and so forth.
We live in times in which human living together dehumanizes. That is the essence of totalitarianism, a profound dehumanization of human interactions. There is no answer to this tendency than to remain humane ourselves. That is why I will not act on my anger – which, to be honest, I truly feel. I will continue to invite you to exchange ideas with me and to learn from each other rather than accusing each other.
Meanwhile, I consider to respond, concisely, in a written way or to discuss your book review in a podcast. Should you wish to reach out to me, please don’t hesitate.
Mattias 
 
 
Van: rwmalonemd <rwmalonemd@xxx>
Datum: zondag, 7 augustus 2022 om 15:55
Aan: ginger breggin <grbreggin@xxx>, Mattias Desmet <Mattias.Desmet@xxx>
CC: Peter Breggin <breggin@xxx>
Onderwerp: Re: Desmit
https://devanneykathleen.substack.com/p/catherine-austin-fitts-and-dr-peter 
 
https://home.solari.com/special-solari-report-mass-formation-a-decoy-for-digital-concentration-camps-with-dr-peter-breggin/ 
 
 
Peter B is making the same mistake that Peter M makes in misunderstanding/misconstruing the theory.
 
You might have taken the time to communicate directly with Mattias.
 
I have included him in this email so that you can communicate directly and hopefully clear up the misunderstanding.
 
As for the thread that I am controlled opposition, this is not helpful, and I now have to deal with an additional source of haters as a consequence.
 
Do you and Peter sincerely believe that I am controlled opposition?
 
 
 
Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
 
——- Original Message ——-
On Saturday, August 6th, 2022 at 6:07 PM, ginger breggin <grbreggin@xxx> wrote:

What comments are you referring to? We don’t mention you in our criticism of Desmet’s theory. Here is the link to our formal paper. https://americaoutloud.news/mattias-desmet-mass-hypnosis-expert-or-trojan-horse-the-full-story/

 

Ginger

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 6, 2022, at 5:26 PM, rwmalonemd <[email protected]> wrote:

Based on the comments I am seeing, you appear to have made some major errors in your understanding of Mattias’ book, and are now drawing conclusions regarding that and myself which are counterproductive and unfounded.

 

I trust that these are honest misinterpretations, but the comments about myself seem quite odd.

 

Mattias spoke to me about this when I visited him last weekend. Your errors of interpretation are common, and involve confusion concerning cause and effect.

 

I think you are not understanding the logic of the pre-conditions which created the environment for the mass formation process.

 

 

 

robert

 

Sent with Proton Mail secure email.

Carol Brooks
Carol Brooks
1 year ago

You people are disgusting! May God have mercy on your souls because I sure wouldn’t. Karma is BLISS!

Julie G
Julie G
Reply to  Carol Brooks
1 year ago

You may also fall into the category of “psycho” using words like that!

karla altiero
karla altiero
1 year ago

Maybe too broad and judgemental but- Breggin helped Psych patients appears Desmet was reckless and murders occurred.

Robert Wallace Malone
Robert Wallace Malone
1 year ago

Professor Dr. Mattias Desmet was traveling back to Belgium yesterday, and I have just received his response the accusations in this article. I post it below to provide a counterpoint to the statements made by Breggin.

“That guy was a former nurse who killed terminally I’ll people with insuline. He came to therapy years after the facts. It was before there was an official legislation about euthanasia. Technically speaking, I was not allowed to break my professional secrecy. You can only break it when someone announces that he will commit new crimes in the future. I did exactly what I had to do. There was no official investigation. No professional action. And moreover, several doctors admitted that this happened all the time in hospitals (before the legislation was passed). It was before there was an official legislation about euthanasia. As soon as this legislation existed, he stopped doing so. But no matter what, I did what I technically speaking had to do. “

I think that most if not all medical professionals who are well versed in the relevant ethics would have done the same. The accusations are baseless.

David
David
Reply to  Robert Wallace Malone
1 year ago

Desmet: “As soon as this legislation existed, he (Poppe) stopped doing so.” (killing patients)

Says who he stopped killing?
Presumably Poppe, but why should we trust the killer?

Desmet also continues referring to the murders his patient committed as euthanasia, and thereby implying that there was nothing wrong with what he did.
His victims didn’t ask for his “pity” or “empathy”, those words have no place in this discussion.

Sorry Dr, but I don’t trust you either.

You continued recommending the deadly jab to “the most vulnerable” for many many months after the rest of us, not specialists in gene therapy, had already figured out that Pfizer didn’t do any meaningful safety trials, were in the act of covering their tracks, and the jabs were doing ONLY harm and absolutely nothing to protect anybody.

How many people died because they took this deadly medical intervention at your recommendation?
Those deaths would be on your shoulders.
You should have been more careful with your recommendations.
No one should ever succumb to an untested medical intervention.
No doctor should ever recommend an unproven therapy that has huge potential for harm, especially after the harm has already been shown to have taken place.
Extra-especially when that gene therapy has the potential to alter humanity’s DNA.
Reckless doesn’t even begin to describe the unspeakable violation you have taken part in, however circumstantially.

You of course already know all that, so I don’t know what your motives are, I can only guess, and what’s running through my head isn’t pretty.

Pam
Pam
Reply to  David
1 year ago

Plus, Dr Malone is on record saying he’s always known the mRNA technology is dangerous. Why did he recommend those shots?

Tussed
Tussed
1 year ago

Re Dr. Malone

Malone (like Dr. Desmet or CJ Hopkins, etc) is controlled opposition, everyone can see that readily just read this … https://www.rosemaryfrei.ca/robert-malone-an-enigma-wrapped-in-many-unanswered-questions/ . He like Desmet are propagandizing distorted narratives of the whole truth — falsehoods and lies, essentially.

In one of his articles (“Groupthink: we are all victims”) his public misdirection, his disinformation is already evident in the title. His dissemination of the total lie of the public as “innocent victims” appeals of course to the public and their general dishonesty but it is a complete distortion of reality.

cuanabear
cuanabear
1 year ago

Good grief, people! Even if there’s disagreement, there’s no excuse for denigration or public criticism, especially when it’s virtually anonymous from all but the involved parties. Isn’t there room for all contributions to solve this evil issue? Basically, can’t we all just get along? All these doctors have phones and emails, let them figure it out for themselves. At the end of the day, we are all on the same team and so it behooves us to look to commonalities rather than differences. Infighting and arguing are exactly what the evil ones want. Let’s have a little peace here, even if it means agreeing to disagree. I respect you all, and hope this can be resolved peacefully and privately, in the name of humanity. Blessings

Jana
Jana
1 year ago

Never heard of this story. Thank you for your boldness and the truth as possible. I enjoy your book on “We are the Prey”. Thank you for taking the time to write and share.

Terry Oldberg
Terry Oldberg
1 year ago

The argument made by Desmet is “scientific” in the sense of being “value-free” while the argument mad by the Breggins is “unscientific” in the respect of being “value-laden.” The “scienttific” approach has the merit supporting achievement of a degree of control over the ongoing slide toward totalitarianism in the Western democracies while the “unscientific” approach has the demerit of not supporting achievement of a degree of control over this slide. Desmet would achieve a degree of control over this slide by repeatedly telling the supporters of this slide of what is wrong with their argument. What is wrong, says Desmet, is that they believe no physical system is “complex” in the sense of exhibiting so-called “emergent properties.” A bicycle and its rider is an example of a “comples” system.

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